Women think men don't understand them? The lack of understanding goes both ways.
Published on January 31, 2005 By Ziggystyles In Sex & Romance
Texas Wahine, here on JU, posted this the other day and Marcie (JU: MarcieHelen) mentioned it yesterday to me and how it was soo right. Oh for the petes sake of the guy upstairs. This isnt a flame to TW...dont want it to seem that way...just a general article, in which Im using her words.

Lets shoot this down faster then a Redneck and a squirrel.

"A woman would get up with me in the morning and start breakfast while I dressed the kids or vice versa."
Why would anyone want to wake up earlier than they had to? The kids dont want to be up either, they just cant sass back.

"A woman would understand why I tried on 3 different pairs of pants and left two of them crumpled on the floor."
A woman would understand why a man would put on the first shirt he sees for going grocery shopping...without showering, and.....and.....and without combing his hair!

"A woman would want to stay in bed and snuggle and talk about places we want to visit and what our bitchy neighbor said yesterday."
Guys arent really the snuggling type. Just like most women arent the 'hey lets get under the car and change the oil, getting our hands dirty' type.

"A woman would be sympathetic about cramps . . . she might lay me down with a heating pad and a good book and bring me hot cocoa."
Guys get cramps as well. We get cramps and move on...sort of like how the big J.C. got his butt whipped and flesh torn off by many men before he was crucified....did what he needed to do and moved on because he had a job to finish....despite any chipped nails he might have had.

"A woman would call me during the day to let me know she was thinking about me, and she would appreciate it when I did the same."
My woman hasnt called me while Im at work. She obviously must not care about me if she is able to not talk to me for more than 8 hours at a stretch.

"A woman would sit on the couch with me and stroke my hair while we watched Return to Me for the seventh time that year."
A real woman would want to go to a monster truck rally, a wrestling match, or watch some kick butt man movie (which can include violence, swearing, death, guns, big fires and explosions...etc) for the first time that year.

"A woman would not complain about diet soda or veggie burgers or reduced fat cheese."
Most men are not religously obsessed with their physical appearance that they have to drastically change their lifestyle by eating certain foods. A woman shouldnt complain about eating a slice of real american cheese that has come from a real cow; and not some processed soy crap or rice curd mixture. Men want to taste their food. If this means adding an extra 100 calories a day....so be it. Flavor rules.

"A woman wouldn't make me feel guilty about the fleshy curves of my body or the fact that my arms aren't toned."
A woman also shouldnt complain about the beard her man has, or the length of his hair or his dirty hands even after he washed and scrubbed them.

"A woman would take the camera and make sure that there were pictures of me in the places that we visit and the things that we do."
A woman who wanted to have pictures of every mountain in the freaken west side of the country would bring her down flippin camera and take the pictures herself. Im not much of a picture person, so Im less likely to take a camera, and its not really on the top of my list of things to bring when I go somewhere. Oh Honey, we are going to Ghetto fab Wal-Mart, the dream of so many lower class families to work at and shop at a place that kills small town america....lets take our camera!

"A woman would appreciate a house filled with the smell of a Clean Cotton Yankee candle."
A man appreciates a house filled with the smell of sweat as if he just got home from a job where he worked his ass off and earned his money. A man also likes the smell of burnt toast, grease, and diesel exhaust.

"A woman would tell me I'm beautiful and reassure me constantly because she would understand the importance of that."
When the heck was the last time my woman called me handsome? Do I care? No. She obvisouly likes me for much more than my looks, and loves me for what is inside my ugly man body. Which by the way, happens to be very Italian (Marcie....this is for you.......ROWR!)

"A woman would not be put off or angered by me showing emotion."
A man should not be put down when he doesnt express emotion all the time and then gets shot down when he finally does.

"A woman would understand why I need more than one pair of black high heeled shoes."
A man only has what he needs at most and he uses reasoning behind his choices: a pair for dress (church), a pair for walking, and maybe a pair for work. Not a pair for walking the dog on rainy days, dry days, rainy days that become dry days, days where I just dont care, days where I do care, but dont want to look like I do, days where I want to look beautiful in the house alone...etc.

"A woman would want to talk."
Men talk...women just dont listen that quickly. Mainly because we say what needs to be said, and thats it. I talk to my dad on the phone....and its like this: "hello....yeah...hey....yeah...not bad....not really, she is on bed rest...yeah....yeah...makes me grade level chair....yeah I know, scary....yeah....really? when? That would be nice for the town for sure....yeah....not much else going on down here either, yeah....yep....ok...next week....ok...bye."

Phone call with my mom: "hello...yeah....ye.....y.....wh....who? wh....Mom.....I.......wa.....m......M........ahhh......ok.........m....mom.....Im trying.....mom.............ca.....can..........Id like to.....can....can I say someth..............ok........yeah....you too....bye"

"A woman would make sure I knew that I was special and the only one for her."
A man usually thinks that by having one woman in his life where he spends most of his time with her and has stuck with her....he thinks that is a good way of showing she is the only one. How that sign is not picked up....beyond me.

"A woman would "get" me . . ."
A woman would "get" a guy too.

"*sigh*"
*sigh*

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on Jan 31, 2005
The non-apology apology -- "if you took what I said wrong, then I'm sorry (that you took it wrong)" -- meaning the fault is yours not mine.

My favorite kind.

Therefore, if your post was unoriginal, I'm sorry that you lacked original thought when you wrote it.

Cheers.
on Jan 31, 2005
Ziggy, I know you did not mean to hurt Texas, but what you did here was a little harsh. It would be one thing if you used the same premise as hers, but taking direct quotes from it makes it an entirely different thing. Just try to be a little more careful in the future.
on Jan 31, 2005
I disagree. Posting things on a public forum makes them open to praise, ridicule, insinuations and what not. Ziggy was just giving his two cents' worth on the subject of women vs men granted he should have posted on TW's site if he was trying to hurt her but he didnt and he did write a disclaimer which in all my 8 months on JU is quite acceptable when it comes to sensitive posts. TW's article was all her, but she did use a very general subject that anyone could unknowingly assume she was talking in general about women, which is what I did and I agreed with it and thought it was insightful, I did find Ziggy's more insightful because it offered me the other side of the coin in a lighter but quite ingenius way. Off course he was not original but who needs to be in a subject that has been recycled soooo many times?

TW I admire you and I am a great fan of your writing, but many of us here are just spectators who can never fully understand the shit you are going through, or even want to considering the depths of the pain and emotions going on, you can't expect everyone to walk on eggs just because we dont want to hurt your feelings (Its a bit too much to ask from strangers who have their own shit going on dont you think?). I am sure you want us to be honest and to artistically and tastefully express ourselves when responding to your postings on this here public forum.
on Jan 31, 2005
Yes posting things in the public forum makes them open to riducule and mocking. That doesn't make it right.

There are ways to go about things, it is one thing to write a humorous article in response because you're inspired by something to you, it is quite another to outright pull apart line by line someone's hard and heartfelt work.

Whether he meant any offence or not - which he obviously did and Marcie don't defend him because it's obvious he meant some kind of dig - you can't pull apart someones heart word for word and not mean some kind of offense.

Especially when the first comment you make is "bring on the flames", I wanted to troll your whole article but I walked away instead.

Brandie poured her soul into that piece, as she does with everything she writes, many readers agreed with her, men and women alike argh I can't believe how incensed I am at this
on Jan 31, 2005
Whether he meant any offence or not - which he obviously did and Marcie don't defend him because it's obvious he meant some kind of dig - you can't pull apart someones heart word for word and not mean some kind of offense.{/quote]

I *WILL* defend him. We live in the same house. We talk about stuff on JU. He wasn't like "he he he...I know all about Tex and her life and I'm going to beat her down and make fun of her!" He's not the kind that would do that, and that was not what he meant to do. He gave credit where credit is due, and he put his spin on the topic. He's a "mans man" or whatever I guess.

*I* agreed with Brandie and posted comments in her article. I also had to defend the boys a little bit, because they don't like like us ladies do, obviously (see above article!). It's all about intent, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think that he even knew about Brandie's marriage issues.

This is JU...and we're all entitled to write whatever we want. He gave her credit for her article, then took his own stance. It wasn't written maliciously or with the intent to "dig" as you say. As he tells me all the time, "You're reading too much into it." They're simple creatures ladies. lol.
on Jan 31, 2005
Trina -

"There are ways to go about things, it is one thing to write a humorous article in response because you're inspired by something to you, it is quite another to outright pull apart line by line someone's hard and heartfelt work."
Oh yea...I personally sat down and thought to myself...."How can I piss someone off today. Lets take TW's (even though I dont know her and her history) post and rip it apart."

"Whether he meant any offence or not - which he obviously did and Marcie don't defend him because it's obvious he meant some kind of dig - you can't pull apart someones heart word for word and not mean some kind of offense."
I did not mean offense...and no...contrary to what you think...you are wrong. How would I know this...because I wrote the article! She wrote the original...I responded to it in my own article. I personally did not mean to offend her, but Im not going to bend over backwards begging for forgiveness. Crimeny, she told me how it came across and to her I apologized. No Myrrander, I did not "not apologize" as you like to say, either.

"Especially when the first comment you make is "bring on the flames", I wanted to troll your whole article but I walked away instead."
I actually expected this to bring on flames because I figured Id have 800 women pissed off at me because I took her post and put a mans spin on what she said. So there.

"Brandie poured her soul into that piece, as she does with everything she writes, many readers agreed with her, men and women alike argh I can't believe how incensed I am at this"
So what..men and women agreed with her. Men and women will agree with me too. I put a lot of thought into most things I write as well...everything to be exact. Some are longer blogs, some are not. I dont post so I can win your favor, or to see if I erk you off...I post what is on my mind. She did the same thing...I did the same thing by taking what she wrote and responding to it in my own words instead of saying "yep, good post". How often do we do this all day long in our normal lives........"he said this....what a crock of crap I dont belive that.......she said that....I agree with her......she said That? No way I cant believe it....beacuse thats not what I thought she would say" We listen and reply, listen and reply. I did the same thing on here, only with actual written words.
I've been flamed on not using original thought. Man...if the presidental elections were based on original thought...the debates would have been over before the first 10 minutes. All they did was say the same thing...only to earn brownie points for them. I dont do it for that reason...I write because I write what is on my mind or what strikes a cord, or nerve with me.

And if you just want to sit there, looking at my post thinking (deciphering) and coming to the conclusion that I had some sort of malicious intent towards some woman I don't even know ...then do whatever turns your crank then. Im telling you my side...and yet I get crap from people basically calling me a liar, because it was 'obvious" that I meant to hurt her.
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