and so it begins....or...continues, or whatever
Published on August 18, 2008 By Ziggystyles In Life Journals

Well I hardly write as much as I want. I try to write and then I get stuck or something can't come out right...etc.  Actually I've been working on a political thread for about 5 days now on Firefox...I just hope my computer doesnt do one of its "hey...its 3am and I just uploaded and installed new updates, time to restart....now" frenzies.  I can't copy and pase from firefox so the window just stays open, lol. 


Anywho...I figured I should maybe update every now and then with our ongoing fight against our debts.  We are up to our eyeballs in debt right now and the trailer isn't helping much.  The market tanked big time and Im thinking about doing a short sale on the thing.  Not the best option, but better than foreclosure I figure. 


Marcie worked this summer in summer school, and that has helped us out in a few areas.  We paid for the plumber...at least paid him off completely until the next round of work is finished which shouldnt be as bad. 

This last paycheck she got today allowed us to take care of some other stuff. 

*My bike has been down for a couple of weeks with a flat tire...100 bucks to fix.  Plus I need to tow it to the shop so Im trying to arrange for that. 

*Marcie took care of an issue with a credit card with Wells Fargo.  We have been struggling with that for a while and just didn't have the money that they wanted to get caught up.  So we arranged to pay x amount every month for the next year or so...I think at zero percent interest or something.  After our furniture and a medical bill, thats the next bill to pay off

*We bought a new bed when we moved to WY.  Of course, we put it on a new credit card via Furniture Row.  Thankfully, we didn't spend any more money on that and only owe what is left from the bed.  I was able to take a chunk out of that this week.  Its a furniture thing so its zero interest from when we bought it until the end of the year.  Either way, I want it paid off and closed asap. 

*I found statements from Home Depot and Bank of America this week in my room that confirmed we closed accounts.  This is one thing Im pushing for as we continue on...to confirm via letter that the accounts were closed.  Last month I got a letter from GE Money Bank telling me they closed my account because of issues with my credit and such...all the while I thought I had actually closed it myself!  So yeah, that doesnt help much

*I am concerned about a check we wrote a couple of weeks ago.  We had to buy some stuff for our trailer and it hasnt been cashed yet...and I didn't figure that into the budget numbers for this week...oopies.

*Another issue is that we write checks out for our trailers rent.  Apparently they have a policy where they don't take post dated checks which is interesting because we give them 3 checks at a time.  This has never been a problem until they decided to cash ALL THREE of them this week.  Two of them have cleared...not sure about the third.  I tried to put a stop payment on a check, but we couldnt find the checkbook so we didn't have the exact check number...and another check slipped through and overdrew us.

*I bought a membership for GWRRA.  Actually just renewed it.  Its 80 bucks and I get membership in the org as well as some pretty good towing coverage for almost anything.  Actually I need that coverage to tow the bike to the shop, lol.  Sure, I could just pay the 80 or whatever to tow it out right...but with this...I get coverage for the next year and I average one tow a year or so. 

*Marcie and I really don't do anything together and I had an idea of setting aside some money each week if possible for a dinner and movie date night on Sundays.  Go to a matinee and then dinner afterwards.  Im not a fan of eating out...well I am...but the cost right now is an issue money wise...but I think we also need to make some priorities as well.  Going out to eat once a week shouldnt be bad...and if we don't have the money, we won't go. 

*as I entered some bills for a week from now, I realized we will be short...so over this next week, we will have to be tight on money so we have some left over to pay what we need to pay.  Actually, technically, we won't have anything left over, but maybe somethings won't go through that fast. 


One thing I like about what Im doing now with my debts is that I can see the dent we are making.  The way we are doing it is paying the smallest amounts first.  Over the past few months, we have paid off 7 debts.  And as we pay them off, we have some extra money to use as a weapon (Ill call it that, lol) to attack other debts.

For example, we were really behind on a natural gas bill so we paid 100 a week extra to pay it off. As soon as that was paid off, we had another 100 to use each week.  I've been behind on my bike payment for a while and while I've been trying to catch up, its not as fast as they want...so Im spending another 100 a week on that for a a couple of weeks to get caught up.  Then we will use that to pay off the furniture bill...etc. 

The only problem...well problem as I see it is that...some of these bills when we get them paid off, we won't have any extra spending money to spend.  Normally youd pay something off and hence youd have more money because you were paying the minimums and such.  However with some of our bills, we simply werent paying anything on them at all.  The furniture is at zero interest so we havent been paying it until recently; when that gets paid off, we wont have any extra money. However, when we pay off a medical bill in a couple of months, we will have another 250 a month to use on another debt. 

Oh well, slowly but surely.

 

 

 

 


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on Aug 18, 2008
It's a trailer Zig. Dump it.

It will only DECREASE in value, its much like an automobile but worse. Would you rent a vehicle you couldn't afford? Or would you dump it and suck up the loss?

Seriously, a few years of a tenant who is a little ruff and you'll never get it sold. Trailers are a seriously bad investment unless you are living in it forever.
on Aug 19, 2008

Hmm what do you think about having someone else manage it for a fee?


I don't understand why you are so attached to that particular problem.



Trailers are a seriously bad investment unless you are living in it forever.


Trailers are a seriously bad investment full stop.

As I said I would never ever consider a trailer myself and don't understand why some people do.
on Aug 19, 2008

I don't understand why you are so attached to that particular problem.

Because, Id much rather rent it out to some dependable people and then later sell it, than do a short sale or foreclosure which would drastically affect my credit rating for future large purchases (ie, a home). 

Trailers are a seriously bad investment full stop. As I said I would never ever consider a trailer myself and don't understand why some people do.

Yeah, well...if we all could look into the future and be as smart as others think they are. 

 

on Aug 19, 2008

crap, Marcie forgot to sign out...that above reply and this one is Ziggystyles

on Aug 19, 2008

I'd much rather rent it out to some dependable people and then later sell it, than do a short sale or foreclosure which would drastically affect my credit rating for future large purchases (ie, a home).


I don't know why a short sale would affect your credit rating.

Either way, your credit rating should be bad. But the point is that if you sell the trailer and get rid of the problem you can improve it.



Yeah, well...if we all could look into the future and be as smart as others think they are.


You think other people don't buy trailers because they can look into the future and you can't? That's bogus.

on Aug 19, 2008
Because, Id much rather rent it out to some dependable people and then later sell it,


Zig, I grew up in and around trailers. They don't age well. Think of it this way. Your trailer looks as good now as it will EVER look again. Meaning, today has a better chance of selling it as compared to tomorrow or the day after. If selling it is your ultimate goal, then get rid of it while its still in good enough shape to make someone want to spend the money on it.

And you don't have to do a short sale or foreclosure. You can sell it for less than what's owed, and make payments on the difference until its paid off.

SO if you owe $45,000, sell it for $35,000, then all the sudden your debt is just $10,000. Much more manageable and easier to tackle.

Chalk it up to a $10,000 (or whatever the difference is) lesson. Or as DR says, "stupid tax."

You guys are just starting out, you're going to get hit with the stupid tax occasionally.




on Aug 19, 2008

SO if you owe $45,000, sell it for $35,000, then all the sudden your debt is just $10,000. Much more manageable and easier to tackle.


Plus he doesn't have the trailer to worry about and no rent payments for the trailer park.

I don't see how that option is not the completely obvious solution.

(Also, I would sell the bike. You can get a new bike in a few years when you have the money to enjoy it.)
on Aug 19, 2008

The trailer *IS* for sale, and has been for a year.  We're not just keeping it for shits and giggles.  I think Zig talked to the realtor yesterday about lowering the price...we'd talked about that for a while.

The bike is also an area of contention.  He goes back and forth on selling it.  We both love to ride.  He just thinks that if we don't keep it, we'll never buy another one and we'll never ride again.  He thinks that the kids will come along, etc., etc...

I don't know.  It's his gig.  I have no opinion.

on Aug 19, 2008

We both love to ride. He just thinks that if we don't keep it, we'll never buy another one and we'll never ride again.


This sounds to me like you would never buy another one because you couldn't afford it.

Isn't that the point of the exercise? Not to buy stuff you cannot afford?
on Aug 19, 2008

Seriously, who put a poker up your butt? 

Zig thinks we'll never buy another one because we'll get bogged down with "life."  You know, work, kids, etc., and we just won't make time to do that stuff together anymore.  And we purchased this bike five years ago, not yesterday.  Lots has happened since then.

It's HIS choice to get rid of it or not.  I'll keep working extra and he will, too, if it's something that is that important to him.

on Aug 19, 2008

Seriously, who put a poker up your butt? 

Wow.

on Aug 19, 2008

I don't know why a short sale would affect your credit rating.

A short sale is a SALE of the house SHORT of what is owed.  If I owe x amoutn and sell it for less, and the mortgage company agrees to that, its basically a settlement.  I still owe the difference.  It is reported to the credit beaurus (sp). 

Ask Sabrina, she could probably describe it better, plus use fancier words.

You think other people don't buy trailers because they can look into the future and you can't? That's bogus.

No, but there are many reasons why some people DO buy them.  Cheaper than a regular house. Portable.  If one doesn't care about value...then they have a cheap full sized house.  I mean...our house itself is the largest either of us have lived in (minus a basement).  Its something that one can call their own...etc.  

And seriously, this whole trailer thing has been beaten to death already.  If you want to argue, go back a year or so in my blog. 

And you don't have to do a short sale or foreclosure. You can sell it for less than what's owed, and make payments on the difference until its paid off.

Well that was my idea and I had talked to a rep last month abotu that very thing...just selling it short and STILL paying what we owe.  Then last week, I talked to another one and they said that is a short sale and would come after me for the difference.  So it would be a short sale and affect my credit. 

 

 

on Aug 20, 2008

Well that was my idea and I had talked to a rep last month abotu that very thing...just selling it short and STILL paying what we owe. Then last week, I talked to another one and they said that is a short sale and would come after me for the difference. So it would be a short sale and affect my credit.

This isn't exactly right Zig.  A short sale is when the lender agrees to take less than is owed and call it square.  They don't come after you for the difference, and agree to that in writing.

This usually works best if you already have an offer, say you owe 45 and someone offers you 35...you go to the lender and ask them to take 35 as payment in full because if they don't, it will go to foreclosure.

They will usually do this because if they don't, they have to take possession of the trailer, maintain it, and then try to find a buyer.  (And in this case probably pay to move it so they aren't paying lot rent every month.)

In the end, that's usually more money than the difference (of what you owe compared to what you get)especially on something like a trailer.  And frankly, they aren't in the real estate business.

So low ball the trailer, offer the real estate agent $1000 extra, and get an offer.  Then take the offer to the lender and ask them to accept it as full payment.

Even if they say no, which they may, then you still only are responsible for the difference...which will be much less than the whole.

 Also it def can affect your credit, but often times you can negotiate with the lender and have them agree IN WRITING not to report the adverse credit to credit reporting agencies.

 

on Aug 22, 2008

You're all wasting your breath and time here, Ziggy (and Marcie, although to a lesser degree) are completely immune to good advice from their intellectual superiors, especially those who have experienced similar problems in the past and therefore speak from experience.

Pull up your pants and crap on someone elses blog Sabrina.  I left an open door for your input, so professional that it was,  from your long gone days in yesteryear of being a mortgage agent, secretary, broker...trash can emptier or whatever did in that industry, like all otehrs you have been in which you claim to have made you so knowledgable (like my moving to another state...hmm?).  Hell, I even threw in a nice fancy compliment about your ability to use a thesaurus. 

Time to stop living in the past now Little One and move on.  Or are you stuck with that Jeffersons theme song and changing the words to "moving on Sideways?"

 

Ziggy really thought he'd be praised for his 'efforts' to 'get out of debt', but what I see, (and I suspect the rest of you can see as well) is a couple that, despite their considerable formal education, still haven't reached the level of maturity required to tend to as simple a task as keeping track of their checkbook.

now, unless you can pinpoint this exactly...I only mentioned this once.  Two checks at the same time were deposited.  Two of three.  The first was supposed to go through, the second wasnt supposed to but did (and outside of a 35 overdraft fee, we were able to transfer funds from an emergency fund), and the third was stopped. 

So lets rewind...you are having a tissy fit because we "cant keep track of our checkbooks" when we knew exactly what was going on, had a previous arrangement for the checks, and someone else who was not in the picture deposited them?  I mean...seriously, spazzing out over that? Don't you have something better to do, like eat bagged steaks or something?

And unless Im wrong...you sit and peck away mocking me for trying to change our future (and succeeding with some bumps along the way)...ridicule me (and Marcie) for buying a trailer...all the while you boast about what you have done financially to your ramshackle house which YOU have had to fix up yourself, bragged about how you thought youd be able to buy it, only to get shot down...STILL live there with neighbors that hate you (although they are the 'bad' ones)...and you give me shit for the choices I've made?  And then ontop of that, give me crap for one bounced check?  A check that we fincially recovered from after a 10 second transfer?

Someone has a very bad case of cranial rectal inversion here. 

 

Anywho...Tova.

I'll have to try and find some resources on this.  I've heard Short sales described both ways:

*lender eats difference

*seller eats difference, has to pay. 

In my case, my lender doesnt seem willing to budge.  They said they might take a low offer but it would be considered a short sale and I would be responsible for the difference.  We didn't discuss credit stuff.  If I could take a lowball offer and have it not affect my credit, Id do that in a heartbeat. 

 

 

on Aug 22, 2008



*I am concerned about a check we wrote a couple of weeks ago. We had to buy some stuff for our trailer and it hasnt been cashed yet...and I didn't figure that into the budget numbers for this week...oopies.

 

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I think LW was referring to this check, which seems in addition to the others.

 

I'm going to butt back out now.

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